tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post4972469194381416859..comments2024-01-26T15:11:43.032-08:00Comments on CRYPTCRACKER: ALPHABET LETTERS AND HIEROGLYPHSBrian Edric Collesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02829433847798847433noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-55104180225036156102019-09-16T19:57:17.407-07:002019-09-16T19:57:17.407-07:00I appreciate your detailed comments here and elsew...I appreciate your detailed comments here and elsewhere(especially pleased that you accept my Q as a builder's cord on a stick, or pencil in my world). My identifications of signs are tested in the inscriptions. Where are your "experiments" on this?Brian Edric Collesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02829433847798847433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-10723573897044100232019-06-30T17:27:42.795-07:002019-06-30T17:27:42.795-07:00Scrutinizing the sign to the left of Z and below t...Scrutinizing the sign to the left of Z and below the he, I realized that it could actually be the gimel. The sign you have as gimel might actually be the tet village with crossroads sign. Rather than a little curve it seems to be a circle although the top is faded and has something in it possibly the faded cross of which a dot remains dark. That would make the little cross to the left of the th the tav as you suggest. The line that seems to come from what I say is vav (and you take as a nefer) and which does not visibly cross the line instead of being part of a tav as I suggested earlier, is possibly meant to be part of the same sign as what I suggested is the sharp point below the quf, indeed grouping these as one sign makes it look even more like a point - so that would be the predecessor of Ethiopic "sat". Where are the lips (s for sephatayim not p) though? Possibly a small remnant to the bottom right of what I see as the fat L shape which is the pe.Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-8618256839795638702019-06-30T15:59:21.575-07:002019-06-30T15:59:21.575-07:00Actually the small sign to the right of the quf th...Actually the small sign to the right of the quf that I suggested as lips is more likely the gh showing the ox tether, the two dark dots being around where the loops are drawn. The actual lips is probably the faint light sign below the he, to the left of what is probably the Z and to upper left of the Zz.Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-11919415097892332992019-06-29T07:37:41.970-07:002019-06-29T07:37:41.970-07:00Above the mem and to the left of the shin is a sig...Above the mem and to the left of the shin is a sign looking like the village with crossroads. I think that this is what you are assuming is tav (or part of as the tav). TRo me this is actually the tet looking like Hamilton's Sinai example and later tets, although it is difficult to see if there is a circle around it or not.<br /><br />The sign that you assume is a nefer and a forerunner of tet I see as two signs, the vav with circular ring on top and below it the real tav which is simply a cross.<br /><br />The sign you think is vav is possibly the actual kaf showing a small palm of the hand. If this is the case then the sign you identify as kaf is actually the papyrus plant / sedge sign representing the Ss tsadi. The sign at the top which is probably the tied bag would then have been only the Dd tsadi the forerunner of Ethiopic tsappa.<br /><br />Alternately the small sign you take as vav might be a form of the serpent(s) carrying the sun used for the sh sound in shemesh, whereas the shin on the bottom right would be the shin corresponding to Arabic th. (I take it as a recurve bow *than - Ugaritic thananim = archers - not breasts.) Although the serpents carrying the sun is probably above left of the mem below the space between the quf and nun.<br /><br />The quf itself might actually be two signs, the bottom thick part of the stem might actually be a sharp point, the forerunner of the Ethiopic letter sat, corresponding to sh in the root sh-ma-`which would have been distinct corresponding to Arabic s whereas the recurve bow corresponds to th in Arabic and serpents carrying sun corresponds to sh in Arabic but sh in Hebrew (distinct from the samekh fish which was probably a ts becoming s later.<br /><br />As for pe, to me it looks like a fat 2 dimensional L which to my mind confirms that it corresponds to the corner hieroglyph not the mouth. I do not think there is an extension to the right making it looks like a mouth and tongue. There is however possibly a small faint remnant of the lips (not mouth) hieroglyph to the right of the quf (you can see two dots where it remained darker) which would correspond to Hebrew sin as opposed to shin (sephatayim). The Wadi-el-Hol example of what you think is a mouth is also probably lips.<br /><br />The gh would be the tether/yoke hieroglyph (long mistaken as serpent and sun or kaf in Wadi-el-Hol) and not grapes. Where it is on the proto-alphabet is not clear, there are several gaps where a faded version might be, such as left of the Zz, above the middle of the mem, or between pe and he.<br /><br />Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-66169292874018035132019-06-28T08:50:17.424-07:002019-06-28T08:50:17.424-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-16981273560665840312019-05-16T11:37:06.887-07:002019-05-16T11:37:06.887-07:00For Zz the fact that the Ugaritic version has two ...For Zz the fact that the Ugaritic version has two horizontal wedges seems to count against it being the sunshade sign which is vertical having one line. Also the side angle wedge seems to face the wrong way for fan of the sunshade. I would suggest that perhaps A11 flower on twising stalk might be a better match, perhaps corresponding to Hebrew tzitz meaning flower/bud/blossom, although I don't know if the tsadi for this root n-tz-tz / n-tz-h is in fact the Zz.Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-77706616973319276532019-05-08T07:16:42.694-07:002019-05-08T07:16:42.694-07:00For Ss, the tied bag sign appears to be the ancest...For Ss, the tied bag sign appears to be the ancestor of the south Arabian letter corresponding to Arabic Dd and the Ethiopic letter called sappa. As you point out we do have a word where it clearly represents a sound corresponding to Dd although it seems that it had merged with Ss in the Sinaitic inscriptions. Nevertheless it was probably originally the equivalent of Arabic Dd and I would say that its name was probably Ddappa or Ddippa, corresponding to Hebrew tsippah meaning a pillowcase or bag like covering.<br /><br />The sign that gave rise to the standard tsadi was probably M23/M26 for sedge. The sedge plant gets its name from the Indo-European root *seg for cutting and the Semitic root Ss-d-y also has the meaning cut or raze and tsadi was probably the word for sedge. In fact considering that g can become d and vice versa by transitioning through a j sound I would argue the IE root and the Semitic have a common ancestor, there even a noticeable similarity between English "sedge" and Hebrew "tsadi".Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-19332244270652518492019-03-05T03:24:56.345-08:002019-03-05T03:24:56.345-08:00The Egyptian door hieroglyph precedent to dalet wa...The Egyptian door hieroglyph precedent to dalet was often horizontal and depicts a lintel. Hamilton presents striped variants and thinks these are swing doors, but fails to realize that they are typical striped lintels of the type pictured here http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/saqqara/images/false-door,-south-small.jpg for example. He provides an example of artwork depicting swing doors but misses the fact that the artist has deliberately made those doors look like the lintel sign so that it is simultaneously a depiction of a door and reads door as a hieroglyph. The idea that it was ever a tent door is from ignorance based on late delta shaped dalet and naïve ideas about Israelite dwellings.Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30508311.post-50334549628710883342019-02-18T11:28:05.972-08:002019-02-18T11:28:05.972-08:00My 2c on Quf. Agree totally that its the "cor...My 2c on Quf. Agree totally that its the "cord wound on stick", heck that's a builders plumb reel which still looks the same today. What people overlook here is that the word quf in Hebrew is understandable as meaning "reel" related to the verb naqaf to go around to encircle.<br /><br />Regarding Tet. I think your n-f-r signs are actually again quf or in some cases vav, I don't see any cross line. I would also have to say that Tet is not n-f-r but as Hamilton says the "village with cross-roads" sign - its identical to clearly attested exaples of Tet. Here what people overlook is that the word Tet is understandable as a noun formed from the verb tayah meaning to criss-cross or plait (whence in the Bible there is a specific meaning of spinning thread). The village sign shows criss-crossing cross-roads.Z4chst3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03159130625819079809noreply@blogger.com